Loki
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Post by Loki on Aug 4, 2021 6:17:05 GMT
Simply put, I don't have confidence that M/H will give a good enough FTC performance to win no matter who they're up against. They're fun, but I don't think they'll respond to criticism well at all.
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Loki
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Post by Loki on Aug 4, 2021 6:18:03 GMT
I also think Jael is justified in being bitter towards people who didn't give her the time of day. That's pretty much the only time I'll be upset at someone within a game at this point.
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 14:44:44 GMT
And Athena has too much faith in that F4. I kind of want to just point blank ask them why they think the Jotunn's will vote each other, but that is too interferency. Also Jesus talking about how Perse can't win and yet isn't going to try and end game with them (which I also think Perse can carry a jury vote).
That is fair, MH feels likely to make the mistake of not giving enough credit to everyone else and showing everything from a rather limited self-centered viewpoint. Response to criticism I'm...unsure. I mean that's the thing about hydras, I think half might be bad at taking criticism, but that is also the half that might convince people the hydra isn't just going all gamebotty, it's certainly interesting.
Though it does seem like the only chance of an "interesting" road to finale is a double win re: F4 and F3 from whoever is not in that trio.
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 14:53:35 GMT
I also think Jael is justified in being bitter towards people who didn't give her the time of day. That's pretty much the only time I'll be upset at someone within a game at this point. Oh I don't disagree, not engaging with someone even when they're going home is 100% a bad move, and they weren't even egaging before then, like, what is Jael supposed to do. Tbh I do think Jael missed out on a lot of alliance building/offers early on. Like not going to tribal is not a reason to not make alliance offers and it sounded like Jael didn't do that outside of the Jotunn people from reading their confessional. Still no reason to leave someone on read though. |
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 14:59:17 GMT
personally would have aired on the side of reminding them but that's very much your prerogative If people ask, I remind them, but frankly I'm not inclined to let people who didn't reread or remember the rules to not be punished for assuming a certain endgame structure rather than double checking either through rereading or just point blank asking. Hell just the question "When are we finding out whether its an F3 or F2" would tell me to give a response that would lead to the answer. Then again my philosophy is ask questions early and often in every aspect of the game, so ofc that's my view. |
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 15:03:57 GMT
Still assuming I'm part of another mod team and we decide to put F2 or F3 in the game from the start, definitely should be something that's asked in the "did you read the rules" portion of the application. I think it being in the rules at all should be sufficient but it could still be better. Definitely learned a lot from running this game so far and we plan on releasing a long retrospective postgame.
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Te Ka
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Post by Te Ka on Aug 4, 2021 16:43:06 GMT
Reading the rules is my strongest skillset
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Chaos
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Post by Chaos on Aug 4, 2021 21:17:58 GMT
Eh, M&H will definitely have very bitter early jurors, but I don't think they lose vs Jesus handily. They'll probably pick up some votes here and there. Also I'm still surprised so many are guessing it's an F3 when WE SAID IN THE RULES it's F2. Don’t you know. Players don’t read rules apparently I mean, I read everything for an hour instead of talking and that went well :3 |
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Post by Baphomet on Aug 4, 2021 22:09:16 GMT
I think we might be seeing where players that are a little erratic and paranoid are not only more entertaining, but sometimes how it can be a strength. and i don't think the remaining players are erratic at all, except for maybe jesus. HAVE WE SEEN A GAME WITH THIS MUCH COMPLACENCY AMONG THE PLAYERS IN A WHILE? I DON'T THINK SO. IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING IF HADES REALIZES THAT IT'S AN F2 THOUGH, BECAUSE HE REALLY SHOULD GET RID OF JESUS IF THAT'S THE CASE. I AGREE THAT MAAT AND HATHOR MIGHT RUN INTO DIFFICULTY AT FTC, BUT JESUS HAS SOME ENEMIES AS WELL. HE PROBABLY IS THE BEST FTC PARTNER FOR THEM. |
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Post by Baphomet on Aug 4, 2021 22:11:35 GMT
personally would have aired on the side of reminding them but that's very much your prerogative If people ask, I remind them, but frankly I'm not inclined to let people who didn't reread or remember the rules to not be punished for assuming a certain endgame structure rather than double checking either through rereading or just point blank asking. Hell just the question "When are we finding out whether its an F3 or F2" would tell me to give a response that would lead to the answer. Then again my philosophy is ask questions early and often in every aspect of the game, so ofc that's my view. I WOULD HAVE MADE IT AN ANNOUNCEMENT AT MERGE INSTEAD OF BURIED IN THE RULES. MANY OF THE RULES ARE THE SAME FROM GAME TO GAME, SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HANG ON TO EVERY WORD. |
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Post by Kokopelli on Aug 4, 2021 22:59:12 GMT
If people ask, I remind them, but frankly I'm not inclined to let people who didn't reread or remember the rules to not be punished for assuming a certain endgame structure rather than double checking either through rereading or just point blank asking. Hell just the question "When are we finding out whether its an F3 or F2" would tell me to give a response that would lead to the answer. Then again my philosophy is ask questions early and often in every aspect of the game, so ofc that's my view. I WOULD HAVE MADE IT AN ANNOUNCEMENT AT MERGE INSTEAD OF BURIED IN THE RULES. MANY OF THE RULES ARE THE SAME FROM GAME TO GAME, SO IT MAKES SENSE THAT PEOPLE DON'T HANG ON TO EVERY WORD. The players have had to revisit these rules to have any idea what the divine interventions can be...I don't know that I agree that the best move is to reiterate public information in this particular case. |
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 23:04:22 GMT
I mean:
1. It's not really buried in the rules. If it was part of a large paragraph you could maybe argue that, but it's own line and it's like the second rule in the TC section?
2. I'm not a fan of "many things are similar so it's okay to just skim the rules" argument. Like...many things differ between games in the rules, many important things. Group messaging, item use at tribal council, entire game mechanics even. Sure I understand why someone might skim but that doesn't really change the fact that you shouldn't, and I'm all for increasing incentive on people to not just skim. Or if they do, to ask questions about important game things.
3. The app literally stated "Do you understand that you'll be at a serious disadvantage if you choose not to read the game's rules?" so like they were warned.
Tbf, if someone wants to make an announcement at merge, that's a fine method especially if it isn't in the rules (in fact I'd say it should be mandatory if you didn't put it in the rules). I'm just not super into reiterating things that should have been known from game start when people have accepted that not double checking those things will put themselves at a disadvantage. Also like...I checked, minus the spoilered DIs the rules are 6 and a half minute read, chances are you might spend more time filling out the app than that if you aren't speccing.
Anyway, I think I'm done with this tangent, but feel free to give further feedback about this if y'all please.
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Loki
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Post by Loki on Aug 4, 2021 23:04:33 GMT
To be fair, you’re supposed to read the rules. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal. People should have to learn to read the rules the hard way instead of just being handheld throughout this whole thing. The vast majority of us are adults who have no problem with reading comprehension normally. If they ask, tell them. If they don’t, it’s on them.
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 23:05:16 GMT
Also what Koko said.
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Post by Anansi on Aug 4, 2021 23:30:39 GMT
To be fair, you’re supposed to read the rules. I don’t see why it’s such a big deal. People should have to learn to read the rules the hard way instead of just being handheld throughout this whole thing. The vast majority of us are adults who have no problem with reading comprehension normally. If they ask, tell them. If they don’t, it’s on them. Tbf I'm probably making a much bigger deal getting defensive of the game design to what are essentially "eh I wouldn't do it this way but you do you" remarks. A lot of thought went into this game so sorry if I overreacted to anyone. |
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