Hades
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Post by Hades on Aug 16, 2021 17:14:20 GMT
I think I would leave it up to Athena to decide since it's her thread but I am ok with having this discussion wherever. I am stuck on mobile so this post is going to take a bit.
I know ghosting you at the end was really shitty and I own up to that. It was one of the only knee jerk emotional responses I had in this game because I was feeling hurt and betrayed too. Jesus tipped me off that you were trying to get him to vote for me but I think it was Athena (?) who also was telling me you were shading me to her so it led me to believe that the push against me was more serious than it was. So I just also didn't want to risk telling you things you could use against me.
Our most intensive game discussions was back on Titans for sure. Even on Rusalka I was a bit iffy because while we had a free boot in Kronos, I was scared of what would happen if we had to go to TC a 2nd time. But yes, definitely my alliance was a huge factor because I really wanted to hide my connection with them since a lot of people had told me they thought Cerb/M+H/Poppy were a trio and I really wanted to preserve my position in the game. And then once I heard you were working with Jael/Elo/P+D to oust Cerb, it made it super difficult to have game talks with you because all the people I wanted to target were your allies.
I understand why M+H was pushing you super hard to me and I had to like really argue with them. I wouldn't be surprised tbh if that was a deliberate strategy to divide us. But my initial game plan in the merge was to work more with you as we got deeper into the game because I don't think I win if we pull off the Taotie pagong.
My rationale on the F6 vote in a separate post, for real this time and with no BS.
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Post by Persephone on Aug 16, 2021 17:28:29 GMT
Yeah <3 I don't want there to be any bad feelings between us because at the end of the day it's just a game!
I think I was just waiting for you to come back, not as a last chance to save myself somehow, but more of to gain closure. Lol I also told Jesus that I thought it was highly unlikely to get you out and something of a pipe dream. I did tip Athena off on what Poppy told me (again I took this at face value, wasn't trying to cause rumors or drama). She also told me that you said I was pushing her so I felt kind of like huh?? because I told you that I didn't want to sit next to Athena out of fear. I didn't really take that to be actively pushing. The round before, I was talking to Athena about the possibility for a me, you, her final 3 (I didn't even realize it was final 2 and it did not seem like she did either? we had a whole convo about it.... oops) and so I felt it was only fair to also warn her about you as a parting notion.
I think that's also when I had the most time to chat and when I wasn't so directly fighting for my life. I actually didn't see Kronos as a free boot at all. He was kind of on his own island since it seemed like he didn't connect to any of the people on the tribe we were in before, but he offered me an alliance. I really had to think a lot about whether it was better to save you or Kronos and I decided to let Kronos go.
After Kronos went, I was very much closest with you/Athena and it seemed like everyone knew that. I think the 3 of us were put in a difficult position to stay close to one another, as I've talked with you both in separate pms way back when. So much of the argument for the round Elo went was this "fear of Titans" which I knew was bs based on Cerb even being part of the trio. I felt a bit angry because it seemed like I was seen as some kind of sacrifice and it seemed like my only option was to work with people who were also on the bottom. I don't blame you for not talking game because I was also in a whole different place.
It's also ironic because in the round that I thought I was going but Hermes went, I became super close to Jael. Even though you had said you argued for me, it seemed like that round you, Cerb, and Athena all weren't talking to me. I felt very alone and just ranted about that to Jael since I thought I was going home anyway. I think had I been more included on what was going on by anyone, I wouldn't have felt so isolated and wouldn't have created a PD/Jael/Elo group.
I think I also thought I had patched things well enough with you and Athena even though that seems pretty foolish now, given that I pushed Cerb and was doing all these other things. I think if you had decided to push Jesus instead of me that round, I obviously would never have won a challenge and it's hard to say what would've happened, but I think it would've been beneficial for you.
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Post by Athena on Aug 16, 2021 17:41:53 GMT
From my perspective, you had both told me the other one was afraid of me and I was trying to sus out who I could actually trust. I think it was in the same round that you had asked about the F3 situation and I was really thrown off by the fact that you asked me that but then had also turned around and talked about how afraid you were of me to Hades.
Also, yeah for some reason I got it in my head it was an F3 until like the round I went out. I'm not very wise.
I wish I had worked hard to include you Persephone, and I left a message to you about that in my confessional. I didn't even realize you had been feeling on the outs originally which was why I was so shook when you and Cerberus suddenly became at odds.
anyway, sorry, I definitely had a part to play in the whole lapse of communication that occurred around there. partly because I was afraid for my own position and that people didn't actually want to work with me, and partly just because I never took the initiative
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Hades
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Post by Hades on Aug 16, 2021 17:49:25 GMT
My rationale on the F6 vote:
So when we entered the round before the challenge results came out, the vote was set up to be between you and Jesus in my mind just based on everything else that had happened up to that point. I think you were the "easier" vote because everyone would just compromise on it but like I said in another thread here, I did actually consider the possiblity of going after Jesus.
I took a look at the voting landscape. If I pushed Jesus, I would have had your support as well as Poppy's. But in order to avoid the 3-3 tie, I would have had to get one of Athena or M+H to flip. I knew for sure that M+H would never go for it and was really unconfident that I would be able to get Athena on board. So I didn't press the issue because I was unwilling to go to rocks or a revote (since the likely option in a revote is that Poppy just votes to eliminate you and then I'm stuck with Jesus being super salty at me).
So ultimately I felt I had to vote for you because I just couldn't really vote for anyone else. M+H were in my potential endgame plans, and I needed Poppy and Athena both as shields to get me through the home stretch of the game. In hindsight, I think this was probably a mistake and I should have at least floated the idea of votong Jesus with Athena I just didn't think I would be able to get away with it so I just felt I had to push for your elimination that round.
I hope that explains everything.
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Post by Persephone on Aug 16, 2021 17:55:19 GMT
Haha I was very afraid of you Athena!! Like the whole time. You were such a wise and calming friend and I just felt so inexperienced the whole time I was chatting with you! I did tell Hades that it would also be an honor to sit next to you in F3. I guess that part was conveniently left out <3 I wish a lot of things were different! I think I also felt like I had to be secretive with this other group I made and maybe I should've just tried to include you. PD also kept saying that you and Hades were in the center of it all (not MH/Poppy) and I think I trusted that too much too. It seemed like Jael and I both wanted to work with you! I was especially mopey because we had been together like the whole time and I wasn't really sure why I had been so severely targeted while no one even floated your name the whole time I was there. I do take ownership of how busy I was irl and that I didn't have a lot of time to cement relationships and be around since we never really went to TC. I wasn't even that mad at Cerb! I really thought MH, Poppy, Cerb were the Trio and within that group, there was big pushback between MH and Poppy, so it seemed like Cerb was the only one we could all agree on.
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Post by Persephone on Aug 16, 2021 17:59:41 GMT
My rationale on the F6 vote: So when we entered the round before the challenge results came out, the vote was set up to be between you and Jesus in my mind just based on everything else that had happened up to that point. I think you were the "easier" vote because everyone would just compromise on it but like I said in another thread here, I did actually consider the possiblity of going after Jesus. I took a look at the voting landscape. If I pushed Jesus, I would have had your support as well as Poppy's. But in order to avoid the 3-3 tie, I would have had to get one of Athena or M+H to flip. I knew for sure that M+H would never go for it and was really unconfident that I would be able to get Athena on board. So I didn't press the issue because I was unwilling to go to rocks or a revote (since the likely option in a revote is that Poppy just votes to eliminate you and then I'm stuck with Jesus being super salty at me). So ultimately I felt I had to vote for you because I just couldn't really vote for anyone else. M+H were in my potential endgame plans, and I needed Poppy and Athena both as shields to get me through the home stretch of the game. In hindsight, I think this was probably a mistake and I should have at least floated the idea of votong Jesus with Athena I just didn't think I would be able to get away with it so I just felt I had to push for your elimination that round. I hope that explains everything. Thanks Hades! I do understand that and I wish you had just shared that with me. I already felt like I was on a sinking boat on borrowed time when Jael got voted out. I wouldn't have been that surprised if this was best for your game. It really hurt to be ghosted, especially when MH and Poppy were at least talking to me saying they wish things could be different (even if it wasn't true or whatever). They told me that you were unwilling to change your vote at all and I was surprised because I didn't think you were close to Jesus. I had also been complaining about Jesus to Athena about how wishy washy he was and how much info he just leaked out to everyone (like the Jael moirai votes) to secure his own spot, so I thought maybe there was a small chance she went for it.
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Post by Hades on Aug 16, 2021 18:05:23 GMT
Oh I should make this clear, my closeness to Jesus was purely utilitarian because tbqh, M+H and I were basically dragging him to the end. I just always thought Jesus was a goat I would destroy if I sat next to him just based off what others were telling me about him and my own general assessment of his gameplay.
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Hades
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Post by Hades on Aug 16, 2021 18:09:45 GMT
God that sounds so mean saying it like that but it's the truth >_>
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Post by Persephone on Aug 16, 2021 18:10:04 GMT
In this situation, I think I definitely would've voted for you (and not Jesus) if you had not ghosted me. MH was really the only one to even talk to me the round I went and the only person I thought who took jury management even a little bit seriously. I thought Athena really would make it to the end there and that I would just vote for her.
I think I was frustrated by Jesus's game play the whole time but I can't be that mad since it clearly worked for him.
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 16, 2021 19:15:52 GMT
I wasn't wrong about Hades being at the center of everything. Just how comfortable M/H was with the whole situation <_< My perception was Athena was really close to Hades and Cerberus. Plus Athena and Jesus were blatantly lying to you/Jael/El so getting them to flip seemed impossible. I had thought M/H would help us vote out Athena and Jesus because Athena was the only person targetting them.
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 16, 2021 19:33:29 GMT
It's funny to me you say M/H was the only one that talked to you. I should've noticed F8 was the first time M/H hadn't messaged me for six hours. Stupid [redacted game] co-op night..
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Post by Persephone on Aug 16, 2021 19:45:12 GMT
I wasn't wrong about Hades being at the center of everything. Just how comfortable M/H was with the whole situation <_< My perception was Athena was really close to Hades and Cerberus. Plus Athena and Jesus were blatantly lying to you/Jael/El so getting them to flip seemed impossible. I had thought M/H would help us vote out Athena and Jesus because Athena was the only person targetting them. No you weren't wrong about Hades! I guess with the item that allowed Cerb and Poppy to talk throughout the whole game, I just thought I had been on to something. It seemed absurd to me at the time that Hades would be in on that group/there would be a fourth person. Yeah, in the round when it was between me and Hermes, it seemed like Jesus was one of the only people continuing to talk to me/give me information. I thought it was because he thought we were close but I've learned that Jesus actually gave info to everyone. It really seemed like he was okay voting Cerb out that round and I think him not doing so hurt a lot. You had way more reason than me to trust MH especially since MH was leading the charge against me in the first round. I think Athena was serious about targeting MH. Still really proud of our little group!
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Post by Hades on Aug 16, 2021 19:52:40 GMT
I feel like I am getting the villain edit this game >_>
Also when you guys were coming hard after M+H and Athena was like, "yeah that sounds like a great idea" my heart stopped. The most scared I ever was in this game other than Cerberus getting idolled out.
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Post by Persephone on Aug 16, 2021 20:03:00 GMT
I don't think you're a villain. I guess because I thought Cerb, Poppy, MH were a thing, I thought you and Athena were kind of on a separate island. So I'm just still a bit surprised you were part of that group. I didn't know how close PD and MH were, but it makes sense why PD was constantly in MH's corner. I think because we had drifted (I was under the impression that in order to survive I had to detach myself from you and Athena), there wasn't anyone in your corner in the same way.
Idoling Cerb out felt like a big victory for me but I don't think it actually changed the course of the game for me that much.
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 16, 2021 20:06:23 GMT
You either die a heroic underdog or live long enough to see yourself get the villain edit. The mafia kingpin edit isn't a bad look on you. Better then the ultimate stabber or the bumbling stooge villains.
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