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Post by Papatuanuku on Aug 18, 2021 18:23:02 GMT
And now to react to the beautiful things you both said about me....
HATHYYYYYYY you're making me so happy! I loved that writing piece so much! Man, I have the BIGGEST grin right now.
MAAAAAAT!!! Best. Compliment. EVER.
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Post by Maat & Hathor on Aug 18, 2021 18:32:22 GMT
Thanks M+H, I really appreciate the answer. Thank you for taking the time to ask questions!
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Post by Maat & Hathor on Aug 18, 2021 19:52:05 GMT
I want to ask more questions, but I don't really know specifically what TO ask. So i guess I'm going to go on a bit of a ramble about what the particular problem I'm having here and we'll see if a question happens in the meantime. So like, for a lot of this game for me personally it felt like I was waiting to have a chance to truly play while having to watch and hear about everybody else have that opportunity, and that there were so few doors open to me due to a lot of things that other people were doing or saying, that I had no input on. And from a lot of what's come out about your game and how you've played and some of the things you were the source of, it feels an awful lot like you were directly responsible for placing me into that box of frustration. And I'm not really sure what to do with that. Like why should I thank you for the worst part of this experience for me? Why should I vote for the people who made that actually happen? Like yeah the game playing out where I didn't attend a single TC until merge had its own impact on me, but having so many doors completely shut wasn't entirely due to that. Idk like, I get why you played the way that you did, but I can't say I particularly like it. But also I've seen your kind of game before and it's one I've seen work out in much the same way, and it doesn't feel like you brought anything different to that style of play. I guess the question I'm coming to is, what do you think that you personally(which yeah you both can answer separately, that's fine) brought to the way you played that nobody else could have? What is uniquely yours here? I don’t think you should thank us Jael. I think you’re right. A lot of our game, especially in premerge was spent counteracting you because we already saw you as someone who didn’t like us. We felt like you could see through our PMs and didn’t treat us like a player. We knew all that you were doing on Jotunn but we were never invited to party with you. We were allied with Loki and Hermes who loved you so much and we thought that would extend our friendship to you but it never did. For us, you kept us at arm’s length and it was very easy to see that. When that didn’t happen, we started prepping for the very real possibility that we wouldn’t be allies in this game. I don’t want to give us all the credit and say we closed all doors for you. Poppy liked you, but was the first one to tell us you had something devious hiding behind your kindness. We agreed with that, and left it there. Athena had been with you from tribe to tribe but didn’t trust you to the point where she was another person who started gathering votes for you for the Moirai twist. We didn’t tell our closest allies not to trust you like you did to us. The thing about our relationship in the game was we always knew that we weren’t high on your list and at some point we decided we didn’t need to be. We played the game and had fun with the people who wanted to work with us. I’m genuinely sorry that this was such a frustrating experience, but it goes both ways. We could have been in the same position as you on the jury wondering why you never gave us a chance. I will say, the one time we did close doors for you was the Moirai Twist. It was a twist that forced everyone to consider who we can essentially lead to a slaughter. It’s a shitty twist for the person who gets the votes and you have every right to be angry about that. But we had to make a vote. I could go into every reason why we chose you and not any other person, but I don’t think you want that. You’re frustrated at us for making that choice and I have no good reason that’ll make things better for you. You were against us and we were against you. You lied to us and we lied to you. You make it seem like we were these nefarious players that plotted to take you down from the very beginning but we really weren’t. We were just as hurt by you not wanting to be our friend. The only difference is you’re not in the position to have to explain that to us. To answer your question about what was uniquely ours, I think I’ll say it was our flexibility. I think our play of tight social connections and a willingness to drop those connections has been done before, yes. But I think those players tend to get locked in their ways and genuinely see players as pieces to maneuver. They make lists and boot orders and stick to their guns. If someone’s going to get 8th place, they’re worthless to us past that. We allowed our emotions to guide us more often than not. And that was just the simple fact that we played together. Neither of us could have played the game we did separately. We could have targetted Perse harder. Gotten her out way earlier. But we enjoyed the bond we were forming. It felt better because we had to work at it: to mend a relationship we had previously broken. We also didn’t super vibe with Jesus on Jotunn. When Radiance placed Viy and Jesus on the bottom of the tribe, we ran to Viy as our favorite and leaked the whole plan, hoping he’d be able to use it to his advantage. But look how that changed! We enjoyed his conversations and opened up a whole new path to the end with him because of the fact that we rebuilt those connections. - Maat
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Post by Maat & Hathor on Aug 18, 2021 19:55:18 GMT
It does line up with our talks. And I didn't expect him to press it much farther than that given the fact that I didn't really feel good about trying to push out Hades as my very likely last action of the game. But thank you for your perspective on that! That's fair. That insight does help us understand what happened there a bit better then.
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Post by Hermes on Aug 18, 2021 20:25:55 GMT
When Radiance placed Viy and Jesus on the bottom of the tribe, we ran to Viy as our favorite and leaked the whole plan, hoping he’d be able to use it to his advantage. God fucking dammit I've been blaming Radiance for that this whole fucking game and it was you? Good call Jael! EDIT: This permanently made me weary of Jesus and Viy the rest of the game and made me unable to trust either of them the entire game. My perception is that Radiance had been shit stirring on Jotuun out of boredom. I assumed that Radiance was trying to start a group with Jesus and Viy and that was going to be the angle "The 3 of us need to get together to fight the 3 of them." Like the fact that you fucked my relationship with Radiance, Jesus and Viy in one fell swoop is pretty goddamn impressive.
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ਜੀ, ਜੋ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਹੱਥ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਤੰਬੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਲ੍ਲੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਲਈ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੈ :)
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Post by Jael on Aug 18, 2021 20:39:30 GMT
When Radiance placed Viy and Jesus on the bottom of the tribe, we ran to Viy as our favorite and leaked the whole plan, hoping he’d be able to use it to his advantage. God fucking dammit I've been blaming Radiance for that this whole fucking game and it was you? Good call Jael! Man, I told you it was MH who said that, cuz it made no sense for it to be ANYBODY ELSE. The only other option would have been Jesus, but at that time he wasn't super close to anybody so it couldn't have come from him. I told you, man. But thanks for the answers there. Ftr, I wasn't against you or not wanting to be your friend. You were just someone I was wary of because there were certain things that could have only come from you, so I couldn't trust that anything I ever told you would ever STAY with you, so if I told you basically nothing then you couldn't leak my shit, I think I just overcompensated there. Also I wasn't specifically trying to do anything on Jotunn, I just got along well with the two people who were actively trying to do things and got painted with that brush by association. I actually wanted to slow roll that tribe because I wasn't sure what sort of twists the mods would roll out early, and didn't want to play fast and loose super early at all. I usually don't try to offer up anything at all in tribe 1, I just don't say no if I'm offered things.
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Post by Maat & Hathor on Aug 18, 2021 20:44:44 GMT
@poppy Oh wow poppy I never believed you when you said you were new but SHIT if you are, holy. FUCKING. HELLL!!!!! I cant believe you are actually new I literally refused to believe it all game. I was like ITS NOT POSSIBLE. How can someone be that good without having played like twenty bajillion survivors?!?!?!?!?!??! I loved that piece toooo. It was just so beautiful and I loved it! @hermes Oh dear Well, I'll have you know that wasn't the intention Viy told us he hated Radiance and wanted Radiance out and that was our goal. Radiance had a rough game of being both our and Bilious' scapegoat yikes ..... It's funny but we were actually trying to start that group! You were our first ally but it felt like Jael was closer to you AND LOKI. Wnd when we realized Jael didn't seem to like us from our own gut feelings, we were sort of wary to leave our fate in that majority alliance's hand. We ended up rejecting it twice and branching off for that reason. -Hathy
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Post by Hermes on Aug 18, 2021 20:56:21 GMT
God fucking dammit I've been blaming Radiance for that this whole fucking game and it was you? Good call Jael! Man, I told you it was MH who said that, cuz it made no sense for it to be ANYBODY ELSE. The only other option would have been Jesus, but at that time he wasn't super close to anybody so it couldn't have come from him. I told you, man. It's the one thing I didn't listen to you about.
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Post by Maat & Hathor on Aug 19, 2021 0:58:50 GMT
Thanks for all the questions everyone and for wanting to learn more about the inner workings of our strategy. It was definitely a difficult game and a difficult FTC. You'll get all our thoughts and responses to the major points that came up in our Final Speech, but for now, it was really nice to talk to you all again.
tata for now <3
- Maat
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Post by Maat & Hathor on Aug 19, 2021 0:59:19 GMT
Good luck to our opponent in this final battle you could call it! The title just fits in well so we're using it >.< It is alright, though I like the video more than the music itself, buuuut thats okayyyy
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