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Post by Anansi on Aug 17, 2021 1:01:49 GMT
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Post by Hermes on Aug 17, 2021 1:06:20 GMT
Jesus, I told you I would never write your name down and I'm strongly considering holding to my word. In my opinion you were a quiet and played an incredibly passive game. Why should I vote for you over M&H?
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Post by Hades on Aug 17, 2021 1:12:11 GMT
Ok, I read your speech first so I will be here first because frankly, I am a longshot for a vote in your favor. So let's start with this question (with some preliminary information):
You say your strategy of being invisible and in the background was intentional and paramount to helping you survive all the crazy shit in this game. But you were, frankly, so invisible in my eyes that I find it pretty much impossible to vote for you. Getting to the end is one thing, but you're not sitting here alone. Your opponent is someone who I knew first hand had been playing really hard and aggressively and made bold moves and still recovered enough to be here even when they made mistakes and things didn't go their way.
I feel like you just coasted on the decisions made by players who were actually playing the game. Whenever a vote came up, it was never your idea and it never felt like you did much to influence it. For example, you didn't do much to influence Hermes' elimination. The Elo vote was something I came up with along with Athena in our private conversation and was thrust upon you and you just sheeped it. Even Athena wasn't your idea - it was your opponent's.
So my question to you is the following: What is even just one example of where you influenced a vote to go your way and/or pushed for something you actually wanted?
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Jael
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ਜੀ, ਜੋ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਹੱਥ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਤੰਬੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਲ੍ਲੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਲਈ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੈ :)
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Post by Jael on Aug 17, 2021 1:28:39 GMT
I'm not at all surprised that you are here. Not even a little bit. I know your style of game well, and you played it flawlessly. Being a guy who is pretty invisible but visible enough people talk about you and tell you things that you then trade for goodwill, it's a hard game to balance but you were very very good at it. But I think there's one thing I'm missing from you that I've seen every other player who was in this merge show, and that's passion. Where is your passion for this game you were so excited to play? Don't just tell me, show me. Your 7 hours in that last challenge show me you have the drive to stay around, but I want you to sell me on why the game you played here was one you were super into doing. I know a lot of players will call your style passive, but I think underneath that might actually be some care and passion and not just apathy, so I think what you need to do for more than just me is show that.
Also, since I like you more cuz you lead me to an idol, I'll put this in your thread. My internet is out, and while I can totally use my phone for this I don't particularly want to, it should be fixed by tomorrow evening, but who knows! But you should both know that my vote is not made up at all. I don't particularly want to vote for either of you. Of the two of you, at least you Jesus didn't ghost me or make me promises to work together that you never held up, but I still had you at the bottom of my personal rankins in tribes for the longest fucking time. I couldn't stand how you'd only talk in that gimmick at first when I wanted more of you as a person or an invitation to game talk, and then you grew on me like a fungus, but I'm still wondering if perhaps it's time to wash that fungus off or just embrace the gross. So, be aware that every answer you give and the way you interact will be influencing how i vote here, and I'm a bit of an emotional player so I do hope you keep that in mind if you want my vote.
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Post by Athena on Aug 17, 2021 1:40:16 GMT
Hey, Jesus, I was definitely closer to you this game than I ever was to M&H. And I am proud of you for making it this far.
However, similarly to Jael, my vote is still very much in the balance and everything you say has a chance to influence it.
From your speech, you obviously know that you looked passive this game. Even when you did more active things like leak information, that never really felt like it was furthering an agenda and more just to avoid conflict and stay on people's good sides (which is a valid strategy to be fair). However, I'm most curious about what your agenda was socially throughout the game. I know you had a rough start on Jotunn, but it seemed you quickly made friends outside of your own tribe. You also mentioned trying to maintain all relationships as much as possible, but I'm wondering if this was as far as your agenda/plan went.
Essentially, my question is who did you see as your most important allies to maintain socially? At what points did you reach out to specific people in order to strengthen your social standing? How would you overall describe your social game plan?
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 17, 2021 2:03:47 GMT
Fear the rise of Deimos! I haven't read your speech but I probably have nothing to say to you. Phobos might have questions! Now if you'll excuse me I have to go read and scream at the other finalist.
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 2:24:59 GMT
hey all, i had a difficult police interview today and have been feeling emotionally drained and exhausted all day, but i will try to get to these questions in a few hours or tomorrow at the latest. thanks for being patient
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Post by Eloritu on Aug 17, 2021 2:45:13 GMT
I have the same demand of both of you: make me give a shit about why you should win this game. I had no connection with either of you and quite frankly no reason to vote for either of you in any way, shape or form here, so my vote is live. Earn it.
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 4:11:15 GMT
Jesus, I told you I would never write your name down and I'm strongly considering holding to my word. In my opinion you were a quiet and played an incredibly passive game. Why should I vote for you over M&H? if ur willing, i would love to hear you elaborate for why you would never write my name down just going based off that, i dont see being quiet or passive as a bad thing. i made clear and deliberate steps to align myself with many people premerge and even though a few of them--namely viy--went home. i still positioned myself really well and made sure i wasnt going home under any circumstances and that the votes were going to go in a trajectory that benefitted me. im not here as a result of being completely invisible and not doing anything, if that was the case i wouldve went home round one for being inactive or gotten replaced. i played hard and i played well
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 4:12:22 GMT
Ok, I read your speech first so I will be here first because frankly, I am a longshot for a vote in your favor. So let's start with this question (with some preliminary information): You say your strategy of being invisible and in the background was intentional and paramount to helping you survive all the crazy shit in this game. But you were, frankly, so invisible in my eyes that I find it pretty much impossible to vote for you. Getting to the end is one thing, but you're not sitting here alone. Your opponent is someone who I knew first hand had been playing really hard and aggressively and made bold moves and still recovered enough to be here even when they made mistakes and things didn't go their way. I feel like you just coasted on the decisions made by players who were actually playing the game. Whenever a vote came up, it was never your idea and it never felt like you did much to influence it. For example, you didn't do much to influence Hermes' elimination. The Elo vote was something I came up with along with Athena in our private conversation and was thrust upon you and you just sheeped it. Even Athena wasn't your idea - it was your opponent's. So my question to you is the following: What is even just one example of where you influenced a vote to go your way and/or pushed for something you actually wanted? ok, so i'd like to start off by clarifying that i think i definitely played hard. i dont think not being aggressive should mean that i wasnt trying or didnt care about this game as much, because i absolutely did. i just showed it in different and more subtle ways as is my nature. you know how miserable that FIC was and i didnt quit no matter what despite that easily being the longest survivor challenge i had ever done. like truth be told, by the time i turned in a seven hour time i thought i had lost. for me it was all about finishing what i started and making sure that with that being the last thing i could really control that i went out on a high note. i spent countless hours on this board whenever i could messaging people and trying to make sure i was in a good position in this game--with how much time these games take that takes a lot of effort with all due respect to maat and hathor, i think faced adversity in this game as well. there were numerous situations--viy going, me getting targeted, etc that i felt like i could be in danger as a result. the one constant in this game and life is adversity--i just handled it better. i went out of my way to always keep a cool head and just keep on pushing ahead, so those moments werent as catastrophic or nearly as obvious to those watching, but they were there from my perspective, i care about the impact. the sole decision that went through my head ever round as i contemplated voting somebody out was would it impact my game negatively. as much as i loved working with athena, i felt like winning those last two challenges was something that was important that i needed to do. getting athena out made that happen for me in terms of the hermes elimination, maat and hathor came to me panicked that "persephone would never trust them" after they pushed her name and wanting me/them to use a steal a vote and a double vote to basically overrule the majority and send persephone home there. i encouraged them to do the exact opposite of that. i enjoyed getting to know hermes as a person, but i didnt feel like i was getting a ton of information from hermes and i felt like i had been completely uninvolved with his "pushes" to vote for eloritu/P+D. it left me feeling like i had no idea where his head was at and that keeping him around would ultimately backfire. from my perspective, maat and hathor seemed pretty determined to upend titans by getting rid of persephone and i think me being unwilling to go with that was crucial to ensuring that hermes went the eloritu vote was another situation where i dont think it hurt me at all to go with that vote. i dont know how much you know about that round, but i told multiple people i was willing to vote cerberus and i think i was at least partially the reason why that gained steam. from my perspective cerberus was somebody i saw as a pretty big threat that wasnt likely to be on my side and from day one i felt like there was a pretty decent chance they had an idol. so i was trying to be coy and ensure that a significant number of votes went there while also making sure that there were plenty of votes elsewhere so the idol didnt send somebody i want going home. athena pushing eloritu, who i liked and found pretty funny, but also felt like they could be a scary wild card gave me the perfect opportunity to sheep a safe vote while making sure the round went in a direction i felt comfortable with if there's a specific part of the game you're curious about, i can address that specifically. but from my perspective, basically every single round. i view this game as something that is inherently collaborative and to try to just brush off everybody else and push whatever you feel like doesnt make any sense to me. i think im strongest when i use the large amounts of information i had about what is going on in the game and influence people and make decisions based on that in collaboration with others
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Post by Hermes on Aug 17, 2021 5:10:02 GMT
That is the most passion I've felt from you this whole game.
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Post by Hades on Aug 17, 2021 6:49:28 GMT
Unfortunately for you, you picked quite possibly the worst FTC opponent you could face imo because, in addition to M+H being my closest ally in the game, I saw the passion and the playing hard oozing from every single PM I received from them. Whereas I'm only just now getting signs of life from you. I wish I had seen this more from you during the game and not now. But it is what it is and you can't go back and change it.
The fact of the matter is that M+H is pretty much exactly what I look for in a survivor winner. You used the word "adversity" so I'm guessing you went back to the PMs I sent you during the last round so then now I hope you know and understand (especially after having a clear picture on my relationship with M+H) that I was being very serious when I told you I wasn't going to vote for you here. It's not that I dislike passive or UTR games but I just need more from this especially when up against an opponent who just simply did way more.
Also one more thing:
"im not here as a result of being completely invisible and not doing anything, if that was the case i wouldve went home round one for being inactive or gotten replaced."
While you werent inactive, my understanding is that you very likely would have been booted first if jotunn ever lost immunity.
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 10:17:10 GMT
I'm not at all surprised that you are here. Not even a little bit. I know your style of game well, and you played it flawlessly. Being a guy who is pretty invisible but visible enough people talk about you and tell you things that you then trade for goodwill, it's a hard game to balance but you were very very good at it. But I think there's one thing I'm missing from you that I've seen every other player who was in this merge show, and that's passion. Where is your passion for this game you were so excited to play? Don't just tell me, show me. Your 7 hours in that last challenge show me you have the drive to stay around, but I want you to sell me on why the game you played here was one you were super into doing. I know a lot of players will call your style passive, but I think underneath that might actually be some care and passion and not just apathy, so I think what you need to do for more than just me is show that. Also, since I like you more cuz you lead me to an idol, I'll put this in your thread. My internet is out, and while I can totally use my phone for this I don't particularly want to, it should be fixed by tomorrow evening, but who knows! But you should both know that my vote is not made up at all. I don't particularly want to vote for either of you. Of the two of you, at least you Jesus didn't ghost me or make me promises to work together that you never held up, but I still had you at the bottom of my personal rankins in tribes for the longest fucking time. I couldn't stand how you'd only talk in that gimmick at first when I wanted more of you as a person or an invitation to game talk, and then you grew on me like a fungus, but I'm still wondering if perhaps it's time to wash that fungus off or just embrace the gross. So, be aware that every answer you give and the way you interact will be influencing how i vote here, and I'm a bit of an emotional player so I do hope you keep that in mind if you want my vote. like jael--you know me, you know the passion is there. im just gonna be brutally honest cause that's how im feeling. i absolutely do not wear my heart on my sleeve, but im one of the most competitive people you will ever meet, id love to win. that being said, like truth be told--i played this game for me. winning a survivor game would mean the world to me, i cried when i somehow won that FIC after seven freaking hard and miserable hours. that being said, im not sure how much i care about this vote. ive been judged my entire life by people, ive been judged for not fitting the mold time and time again. and like it gets to a point where im tired of it, im tired of submitting myself to be judged by people that dont know my story and dont understand where i came from and judge me with nothing but pure arrogance. sure, winning is nice as fuck, but at the end of the day there's very few people i care about--you're one of those i do care about for sure, but most people? ehhh. obviously i cant compare to people like snakes and betch who can make FTC and win time and time again, but i know if we compared the body of work of me against about anybody else on MS not named them and you, i can make FTC with a consistency that is largely unparalleled like i dunno how much you know, but i medevacked my last survivor game after i was sexually assaulted and i had medevacked due to extenuating circumstances multiple games before that. for me, like obviously i want to win and i want to cross that hurdle, but like i decided a few weeks ago that this is likely the last survivor game ill ever play. its been a hell of a journey, but waiting for my fairytale ending of hopefully winning isnt worth it. i just wanted to prove to myself that i could endure the struggle of surviving the intense emotional pressure that this game puts on me. like this game rewards players who play in a very specific way that caters to pre-existing norms within the status quo and im never gonna fit that and in my mind, that's OK. winning is only worthwhile if it's worth it and this game isnt anymore this game was about proving to myself that i could compete playing this game at a somewhat decent level of competition and i did that. i used to think winning on MS was the gold standard, but truth be told i dont feel that way at all anymore. im happy with the way i played and to me--in this moment, that's frankly all that matters. trying to win in a situation of two against one seems ridiculous, like to me winning a hard game would mean the world and be amazing, but this was silly from the get-go and is all about personal improvement--no matter what shape that takes to add to your point about being the bottom of your rankings, i completely understand that. i think my play on jotunn was subpar, but i think i bounced back in a major way. i recognized i was in a questionable position on jotunn. it is exactly why i put so much effort into connecting with people like hades and athena the very first chance i got. it was a mistake on my part and i think i honestly came out of jotunn with exactly one solid relationship in viy. every survivor game ive played has been a learning experience for me and i think i realized those mistakes very quickly and adapted as best i could
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ਜੀ, ਜੋ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਹੱਥ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਤੰਬੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਲ੍ਲੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਲਈ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੈ :)
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Post by Jael on Aug 17, 2021 10:33:56 GMT
I'm gonna just give you a hug or ten, kay? Thank you for that. That's kinda the sort of feeling I was getting, that you were putting all you had into this, and you were always going to do it your way. And I commend you for sticking to your principles there.
I'll have more concrete questions when my internet is back. Mobile is just so gross.
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 11:23:30 GMT
Hey, Jesus, I was definitely closer to you this game than I ever was to M&H. And I am proud of you for making it this far. However, similarly to Jael, my vote is still very much in the balance and everything you say has a chance to influence it. From your speech, you obviously know that you looked passive this game. Even when you did more active things like leak information, that never really felt like it was furthering an agenda and more just to avoid conflict and stay on people's good sides (which is a valid strategy to be fair). However, I'm most curious about what your agenda was socially throughout the game. I know you had a rough start on Jotunn, but it seemed you quickly made friends outside of your own tribe. You also mentioned trying to maintain all relationships as much as possible, but I'm wondering if this was as far as your agenda/plan went. Essentially, my question is who did you see as your most important allies to maintain socially? At what points did you reach out to specific people in order to strengthen your social standing? How would you overall describe your social game plan? thank you <3 like i guess i would say leaking the information was very intentional--sure, by design i wanted it to appear like it was simply to be friends with everybody, but that certainly wasnt the real intention for me. for example, when i leaked information to you about elo/P+D targeting you/hades--it wasnt something i had learned particularly recently. i gave out information when i felt it was beneficial and held it when i thought it would be better used as a later date. there was definitely intention behind those decisions even though i certainly didnt want it to be too obvious. i think the best way to explain it was a clear, yet minor risk when i leaked information specifically to benefit myself. in many cases it was just a shotgun strategy of leak all this information and hope one of the actions i took would work out well. i dont feel like i was ever in a situation where leaking information hurt me, but it definitely benefitted me sometimes by design. i think the cerberus elimination was the greatest example of this--i gave jael the HII clue and i had absolutely no idea if that would come to fruition or if they would find the idol, but it ultimately worked out and it benefitted me. in my mind, sometimes all it takes is a subtle change to make the difference then in terms of my plan, that was a synopsis. i guess from my perspective i didnt want to go overboard with details, but im happy to elaborate if there was something ur curious about. i quickly made friends outside my own tribe cause i felt like more connections was never a bad thing and i was acutely aware that i might be in a bad position if i relied on my jotunn tribemates, cause i didnt have a ton of confidence in them. like besides jael/M+H/viy, i never felt like i had a great grasp on the rest of the tribes goals and desires and they played in a way that confused me and left me uncertain. in terms of who i felt were the most important allies coming into merge to me--it was you and hades. i felt like you both could really do a lot to keep me safe and you were both people that i liked a lot. i felt like you could kind of shield me and ensure that any targets against me didnt come to fruition. one of the key reasons i voted the way i did every round at merge was to make sure that holy trinity alliance stayed intact, because if it crumbled i felt like i would have been in a much worse position in the game. in terms of reaching out--i also felt like jael was really important to me in the rounds leading up to merge and afterwards. obviously i dont know if i handled that relationship with jael particularly well and they could probably comment on that better than i can, but i guess i saw them as the person in the minority of sorts that was the leader and somebody i best understood and could possibly work with down the line. i thought that by building a relationship with them i could prevent myself getting idoled and open doors down the road. it never really came to fruition cause i obviously didnt trust others in their group to not target me enough to vote with them, but i still think it was important. i also think reaching out to you and hades in the early part of the game should count for something. like i realized i wasnt in a particularly great position and used the twists in this game as a way to account for that and ensure i wasnt going home anytime soon in terms of my overall social gameplan--it was a combination of different factors. one thing id done in the past was fail to communicate with the players who were being voted out. like if i decided i was voting somebody out id just ignore them and coming into this game i felt like that was a bad thing to do and a dick move. i was limited due to IRL time constraints and not always being online, but i always tried to make sure i wasnt just ignoring somebody when they got voted out. so that was a specific example of a strategy i adopted coming into this game. beyond that, i think my overarching strategy was just find a middle ground. like kind of just do me and hope for the best. im not somebody that's a big social threat but i also think i chatted enough to be somewhat noticeable--especially when im not busy irl--so i just kind of did that. my entire strategy hinged upon me being around and active and receiving and giving a ton of information and using that to get me to the end and i think i did that pretty well
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