|
Post by Papatuanuku on Aug 18, 2021 17:21:46 GMT
Thank you for your very thorough answer. I don't actually blame you, I was just being funny.
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 20:52:03 GMT
ok ive gotta go do something in an hour and am running a bit behind on questions but i will try to get to as many of these as i can rq
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 21:10:41 GMT
Thank you Jesus, I appreciate that answer. What was a moment or series of moments in this game where you felt like you had to fight your hardest / play your hardest / talk your hardest, etc.? Basically, when did you feel like you had to put most into this game? I feel like the obvious answer is the FIC, and like... I'm super impressed by your dedication and passion there but it's also like the most visible thing you've done this game. I'm a little more interested in some of the quieter moments where in the background you might've been trying really hard to make a certain connection and so on. like yeah fic was hard that was probably the moment where i was like most emotionally upset with the game and i honestly still feel bad me/hades didnt get a better challenge that was like more of a fair test so in terms of moments in the game that were important--the pyramus and thisbe twist was a situation where i immediately knew i needed to make a lot of connections. i feel like i was online for a lot during that phase and just instantly went in to it trying to make as many connections as i could. i obviously knew that my position on jotunn was questionable and TC was going to be very hard if we had to vote with that twist happening. i think i immediately built pretty solid connections with u/hades and also spent a decent amount of time talking with like cerberus/artemis/kitsune that first night of the twist. i figured that if we didnt win it was going to get dicey and i wanted friends i could hopefully count on to keep me safe. obviously we didn't end up going to TC there, but one key element of my strategy this game was trying to preempt moves against me and not waiting until im in trouble to respond. i also think that laid the foundation for connections that helped me later in the game then i think it was rakshasa--i put a fair amount of time into really trying to connect with jael. im not sure how widely known this is even now, M+H seemed to not realize it, but im pretty sure hades and some people figured it out eventually, but i voted poppy for moirai--not jael. i told jael that the moirai votes were on them and tipped them off about the idol clue. it didnt come to fruition later, but after hearing the moirai discussion i felt like i had a very good idea of how the merge rounds were going to go and that having jael as a friend could be really valuable and useful later on. it ended up not really coming to fruition, but i think it was still helpful to my game i also felt like the F10 vote was super important in this game. from my perspective there was a ton of information circulating and rumors of cerberus/M+H getting targeted--elo/persephone getting votes--my name come up, u/hades got thrown out seemingly for some reason. i felt like getting what in my mind seemed a pretty great result for my game at that TC took a lot of doing and just making correct reads despite a ton of contradicting information circulating. if the idol didnt get removed from play and a good alternative target fmpov doesnt go home, i think the game would have been much more dicey for me
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 21:26:29 GMT
Huh, I thought it was because you didn't want to commit. That's a good answer. Did you give any thought to switching sides after the Cerberus vote and taking Jael/Perse further instead of Hades and Maathat? Until the last hours of F8 I'd locked a bored vote onto Jael thinking no one wanted to do more, yourself included. You could've kept the vote steal and locked the next vote with just those two. Just wondering in a sense why you went with the people you did. Also came to ask you for a theme song! Please not a hymn Jesus, the man himself already has an entire musical of theme songs for Himself. yeah absolutely. initially the F9 vote was a situation where i was hoping to like vote poppy out or something and save jael, but due to the circumstances it became pretty obvious to me that jael was idoling and poppy was too hard to remove there and i didnt think that outcome was bad for me the F8 vote i wasnt interested in doing a ton, especially after my name came up. i knew M+H/hades had double votes so it would be difficult to go against them and i thought waiting for the next round seemed best. like no offense to u, but i wasnt sure where ur loyalties lied and i felt much better about working with jael/persephone than u, so in my mind with jael not going it made a lot of sense to just go with that and try to do something next round then the last divine intervention just really kind of screwed up plans for what to do at that F7 TC. the immunity challenge didnt go my way at all with hades being somebody i wanted to make a move against and me not getting immunity which wouldve been helpful to try to push things without having to worry too much about it backfiring. then i was put next to M+H/poppy due to the intervention--which i didnt feel great about and felt like they might've been some of my biggest resistance or who i needed to make the move against. so while i wanted to do things, in my mind about everything that could go wrong that round did and it was a situation where i felt like the risk outweighed the reward
|
|
Hermes
Valhalla
He / Him
Posts: 473
|
Post by Hermes on Aug 18, 2021 21:30:09 GMT
Outside of maybe like some idle chatter, you were never at risk on Jotuun. You may have felt that way (and trust me I understand that perception is hard when you don't have all the info) but it would've been a bad day for Radiance if we had gone to tribal.
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 21:50:12 GMT
sorry for the delays, but i started typing up a response to u hermes/jael and i promise i will respond later, either around deadline or in my closing speech. thanks for being patient <3
|
|
|
Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 18, 2021 21:52:06 GMT
Shit I forgot F7 was the No Moves Allowed Intervention. You'd have to plan out a different elimination 24 hours in advance and Hades was immune so you'd also need a pre-planned backup vote. Difficult but not impossible if you targetted both Hades and M/H. I can guess you didn't want to suggest the second name there though.
Oh I was saying you didn't need to use your Vote Steal on me, I think 9 votes to eliminate me at a Final 8 council was a little overdramatic. You did have the Vote Steal in your own pocket then right? If M/H still had it then it makes sense they tossed it on me, but for you I would've saved it.
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 0:50:48 GMT
I have a similar question to Jaels. I want both of you to explain your games to me, I don't know if this is normal on MS games or what but for the most part the Jury didn't tell me what was going on, so I'm sort of at a loss here. I love Survivor and there is a podcast I listen to called "Why ____ lost", in it Survivor podcaster David Bloomberg has a list of rules he thinks are important for winning. 1. "Scheme and plot" 2. "Don’t scheme and plot too much", or "Keep scheming secret and don’t backstab until you need to" 3. "Be flexible" 4. "Don’t let your emotions control you" 5. "Pretend to Be Nice/Play the Social Game (and Keep Your Politics and Controversial Beliefs to Yourself)" 6. "Don’t be too much of a threat" 7. "Vote out the weak, then the strong, then weak, then strong" Appendix A. "Do whatever it takes to get idols" Appendix B. "The Jury Phase" I'm asking both of you the same question: Please list out 2 to 3 sentences for each point on this list, help me understand your games better! Also, I apologize for how dickish my original post was to you. Jury has not been fun and I took some of that anger out on you unnecessarily. 1. i played this game in a pretty simple way. i made lots of connections early on in the game and utilized them well to get me far. then for strategy, it was fairly simple. it was all about having information and controlling it effectively, because in my mind--knowledge is power. on top of that, it was all about making good decisions every round and setting myself up to get to the end 2. i dont really think this was an issue at all for me. like i schemed enough to get by but definitely didnt overextend by pushing votes i couldnt make happen and getting backlash for it or anything of the sort 3. i think i was very flexible. like for me, i felt like there were numerous options open for me at many times. like pushing persephone F11, voting cerberus F10, etc. flexibility was something i knew was really important to have and i didnt want to get locked into something unless i was certain i could use that to make FTC. it's why i worked on some of the connections i did, voted poppy for moirai, etc cause i knew getting locked into a specific course of action would be bad 4. there were definitely times in this game i was emotional, but i never let them control me. obviously like the emotional aspects of this game are important for me, but at the end of the day the majority of decisions i made were just based on positioning myself well and getting far 5. i think i played a solid social game, i made plenty of connections and always had access to a lot of information. i also just tried to like be nice, like i really wasnt pretending and i hope u all had fun in this game and i wish the best for all of u. i also dont think i said anything too controversial and i didnt talk about politics much even if religion was certainly a part of my game 6. i felt like my threat level was always managed well. i had allies to fall back on when i needed them and then like hades/others did bring up my name at F4, but i anticipated when that was likely to happen and just won immunity 7. honestly, like i didnt put a ton of stock into this if im being completely honest. there was nobody in this game that stuck out to me as a super weak player. i just tried to make decisions that were best for my game and let me get far. i will say that i voted in the majority basically every round, so i'll let u decide if i balanced this aspect well or not based on the boot order A. okay so i didnt do great at this--i tried everything i could to get idols but obviously didnt succeed. i will say one of the things i did was recognize i was unlikely to try to get idols and plan around that in many ways. like for example, while i was slow on the first ring of mudarra idol, i did realize u needed like 15 posts to get it and then tracked everybody who was online and might've had it. i also realized that im pretty sure confessional posts counted towards ur post count at the beginning of the game--like if i search my posts and subtract the like 1k confessional posts u come up with a nine post discrepancy between what posts are publicly visible and what the game says my post count is. so i was able to use that to narrow down who had the ring idol to like cerberus/eloritu fairly quickly on day one B. i tried to manage the jury. i avoided lying when i thought i could and tried really hard not to manipulate people. i also put a lot of effort into talking to ppl even when they were going home--especially if my real life schedule permitted it. like just cause i voted somebody out doesnt mean i didnt care about them on a personal level and i was trying not to just give somebody the cold shoulder and treat them like a pawn ur totally fine <3
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 0:58:30 GMT
if the mods allow me to keep answering questions after deadline, u will have responses soon and if not, they'll be in my closing speech. thank u for all the questions
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 1:19:00 GMT
Okay Jesus, I have a particular question for you cuz while I do know this style of gameplay well, I think you did it in a way that most people don't manage successfully. I guess it's two questions. But FIRST, you seemed to play this like you were an information broker, where rather than trading moves and directing plays, you would strategically release information you had learned to have the biggest impact you could with said information. So what I want to know is, which bits of information did you get that you strategically use to have the biggest impact? Like i know you released some of it later on when it was smartest to do so, but did you also let some information go out to people as soon as you had it too? Tell me all about the way you used being an information hub. And then secondly, playing intentionally UTR and unnoticeable takes a lot of finesse to do well, what I want to know is, how did you balance being relevant enough people still talked to you and actually liked and counted on you, with not being the big name people all knew they should watch out for? How did you manage your visibility in this game? ok so obviously during that moirai intervention i tried to use information effectively with u. like i told u and basically nobody else i was voting poppy with u. i didnt want to tell others because i felt like it could create problems between me/poppy--like u saw the elo/hermes feud that kind of happened and i didnt want that. i also felt like giving one person information is always a great way to test how trustworthy they are/see who they're close to. like iirc later on in the game i found out u told persephone that i told u that which helped me gauge who ur close to/where i stand with u in terms of just giving out a ton of information--there was a point at the F10 tribal council where eloritu told me P+D had mentioned voting hades/athena a while ago and i asked him if he was cool with me sharing that and just creating a bunch of drama if i could. from that point on i just like started quite a few rumors and tried to make the TC chaotic. like from my perspective with cerberus probably getting votes and me feeling like there was a good likelihood an idol was in play, i felt like trying to muddy the waters for that TC made a lot of sense to try to make that decision to idol as hard as possible. obviously cerberus played well and successfully idoled--plus he could idol two people so the decision wasnt as hard as i thought it might be, but that was definitely a situation where i just tried to overcomplicate things and make it hard then one thing i really tried hard to do with information early in the game was use it to enhance my connections and build trust. like during both of those swaps, i tried really hard to get information and exchange it. like i had a lot of good conversations during that and i think i was able to use that effectively. then i would turn around and use that information to try to build connections with others/get more information/play matchmaker. like id tell people who had spoken highly of them--i.e. i think there was one point i told u athena had mentioned working with u near the end of our time on white tiger--to build good will and try to help ppl out. i also wasnt afraid to use information to kind of make ppl distrustful of each other or if i felt like information wasnt helpful to advance my agenda id just not share it
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 1:21:01 GMT
Outside of maybe like some idle chatter, you were never at risk on Jotuun. You may have felt that way (and trust me I understand that perception is hard when you don't have all the info) but it would've been a bad day for Radiance if we had gone to tribal. i appreciate that and when u told me that, i absolutely believed u. in addition to that, even if i was safe i felt like i lacked a lot of strong connections so it wouldve been difficult to proceed in the game. hence why i think building strong connections with ppl outside my tribe was important no matter what
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 1:26:57 GMT
Shit I forgot F7 was the No Moves Allowed Intervention. You'd have to plan out a different elimination 24 hours in advance and Hades was immune so you'd also need a pre-planned backup vote. Difficult but not impossible if you targetted both Hades and M/H. I can guess you didn't want to suggest the second name there though. Oh I was saying you didn't need to use your Vote Steal on me, I think 9 votes to eliminate me at a Final 8 council was a little overdramatic. You did have the Vote Steal in your own pocket then right? If M/H still had it then it makes sense they tossed it on me, but for you I would've saved it. like from my perspective if i was making a move my preferred boot list order at F7 was hades>poppy>M+H. jael going wasn't the end of the world and it didn't ruin my game, but i was hoping to do something more there--i feel like usually my strategy involves doing something bigger at F7 cause i think it's a primetime for making moves i had boosted dante's inferno with my token there so i was very hopeful for that to occur instead. saving my double vote could've helped. that being said, if i did make a move there i really really wanted to get athena on board. i felt like that would give me a lot more safety down the line to have somebody else i could count on, whereas if i dont include here i felt like F6/F5 might get dicey for me the desire to get athena on board with the vote was a big part of why it didnt happen. it just felt like convincing her before that ftc to go along with multiple other targets was gonna be harder than one. plus giving others 24 hours to try to counter my preplanned vote when i might not be able to talk to any of athena/jael/persephone made me quite nervous. when the intervention first dropped i basically just decided to hope i got put close to people i could work with and if i did, go with that and not do jael i would've been ok targeting M+H there, but it wasn't my preferred option. if i was gonna do that in my mind i needed it to be a surefire vote cause if it doesn't go through i think my game blows up. like if i push M+H at F7 and the vote doesn't work there is absolutely no way i would've felt comfortable taking the path to the end that i did. plus even if it does work, i think i 100% lose that jury vote and would've felt very bad about it even though it made sense from a game perspective
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 1:30:05 GMT
Also came to ask you for a theme song! Please not a hymn Jesus, the man himself already has an entire musical of theme songs for Himself. ok i just realized i forgot this part of ur question so very sorry about that. this is about jesus, but it is NOT a hymn. one of the specs recommended it to me and i put it on my playlist for this game and it grew on me. i liked the vibes it gave off
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 5:52:23 GMT
My internet is back! But I am very very tired. To entertain me, I would like to ask you(and this will be towards the other finalist as well) to tell me two things about each juror: First, what about their gameplay did you admire most and wish you could have emulated in your own play? And second, what is the best positive interaction you had with them? I want to see if you had awareness of who each juror was and what they brought to the game. Also do this for the other finalist while you're at it <3 for athena, i loved her straightforwardness. like her very first message to me was just about who all said they didnt have the ring of mudarra and asking how the ppl on my tribe were and i think that was part of the reason we connected so well. like it made it super easy for me to just like dive into game talk and it made it rly easy for me to trust her ok so for cerberus, basically after the F10 vote he messaged me to clear the air between us and i really appreciated that so much. like i think it's definitely something i dont always do well at in my games. like i usually make alliances and just stick with them and i have a really bad habit of just kind of ending up on the opposite side as somebody and just never working with him. so him reaching out was something i was genuinely interested in and it made a lot of sense to me for us to work together at the time for eloritu, he just gave me like very chill vibes when we talked and i loved that. he was like dont bother messaging me if there's nothing to talk about and i really appreciated that freedom and it just made me feel more comfortable about him. like im the type of player who will definitely apologize to everybody if i dont message them back for a day or so cause i get anxiety that they wont like me for not being around. like him just having that level of honesty and realness was great. if i was able to play even somewhat similarly to eloritu i feel like i would get way less stressed about these games and have a better time i honestly loved hades entire game. one thing that stood out about him when we first connected during the pyramus and thisbe twist is that he really made an effort to like get me helpful information. for me, sharing information usually just involves me listing off all the things i know, but hades kind of went above and beyond there. like he knew i didnt feel super comfortable on jotunn so he said he'd go talk to people on jotunn and went and found out how they felt about me and then relayed that information back to me. i also felt like we bonded really well just by feeling like we were in a similar spot during the game at that time for hermes there was a point in the game where he just came to me and asked me about rumors regarding a jotunn alliance and clarified that i wasnt a target if jotunn initially went to TC and that there wasn't an alliance without me. that's not rly something i ever did in this game and it made me feel way better about our relationship and that was a great way to handle a potentially tense situation between us and cut off problems before they arose for you, i think ive already talked about our game a fair amount, but you basically told me you had an idol without telling me you had an idol over quite a few messages during that F9 TC and i think that was cool. in the past ive subscribed to the strategy of basically never tell anybody u have an idol and after seeing ur play here that's something im less sure about. like i think to just use the idol as an idol can be incredibly powerful, but it can also be used to be bonds and establish trust and i think u did a good job with that as opposed to just blindsiding a bunch of ppl. while i havent found a survivor idol in years, if i ever get one again its definitely something ill consider doing for maat and hathor, like they basically framed them asking me for an alliance as a marriage-proposal and it was like the weirdest thing ever but also just absolutely hilarious. for me, alliance requests are like something i dont tend to do great with. like there was literally a conversation with radiance on day one where we talked about an alliance and they just flat out told me that my message was "disturbing." so for M+H to come up with like something unique and cool made it feel way more natural to me and less awkward and its not hard to see why they had so many alliances this game. like it didnt feel forced at all and was rly funny. i think it being unique also me feel better about agreeing to it, like ive played games where i literally end up allied with everybody and it gets to the point where those alliances dont mean anything bc i have so many so i think them making it standout also helped in that regard and made it feel more genuine then this isnt really a specific moment, but for papatuanuku i felt like she literally handled every single vote this game like beautifully. she was always super empathetic but also straightforward and it was great to watch and i wish i had the grace to do that. like im honestly not sure i heard poppy say something mean-spirited about anybody this game it was crazy and amazing to play with someone that amazing and adept at handling this game persephone was always super nice and came across as very genuine to me. like her message in this very thread was probably one of the sweetest things anybody has ever said to me across all my FTCs and i appreciated it so much. there was also a point at F11 when her name had come up where she sent me a message--and like i already didnt want to vote her out before that--but it was so genuine and just like really cemented in my mind that there was no way i could let her go there. obviously i dont think i was particularly rude or mean this game, but i feel like being nicer to other players is always a thing i can do better at for phobos and deimos, (and mostly just deimos) i felt like the F11 vote was a spot where we connected well. like i felt like i loved the way deimos thought about the game. we hadnt connected super well during the earlier twists and hadnt been able to be on a tribe together but still connected well. they went along with my RP for a bit which was cool. we also spent an awfully long time obsessing over that first challenge considering we like werent even in a position to win it which was weird but still fun. also it was super nice having deimos around to message me in the evening so i wasnt lonely
|
|
|
Post by Jesus on Aug 19, 2021 6:01:19 GMT
And then secondly, playing intentionally UTR and unnoticeable takes a lot of finesse to do well, what I want to know is, how did you balance being relevant enough people still talked to you and actually liked and counted on you, with not being the big name people all knew they should watch out for? How did you manage your visibility in this game? so i realized i forgot this question too like i was definitely always aware of my visibility. many of the rumors and information i shared pertained to that. for example i had heard rumors of their being a majority alliance on jotunn--which based on what i can tell in hindsight--wasn't exactly true, but i still absolutely played that up. fmpov it was an important way for me to show that i was a free agent of sorts and not super close to the other jotunn players. im not certain what decisions were based on, but i think that combined with my willingness to vote hermes round one of merge definitely played a role in me not taking a lot of heat when we had three jotunn players follow each other out the door and you/M+H getting mentioned as targets early on in merge and during moirai in terms of getting people to talk to me--i think that was a combination of building strong connections and bonds with people and also spreading information effectively. like basically my strategy in terms of spreading this information is to try to have mutually beneficial relationships with people. i tried to give away a lot of information in return for hopefully improving my standing in the game in some way or another. like its not about manipulating people or stabbing them, its about hopefully giving them useful insights that can help them understand better about the game dynamics and play better while also simultaneously improving my standing in the game. like i really hope nobody who works with me feels like it was a terrible mistake because that wasnt the goal
|
|