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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 11:28:56 GMT
Fear the rise of Deimos! I haven't read your speech but I probably have nothing to say to you. Phobos might have questions! Now if you'll excuse me I have to go read and scream at the other finalist. i would absolutely love the opportunity to finally talk to phobos, please tell him to come ask me questions. u r absolutely excused
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 12:27:25 GMT
I have the same demand of both of you: make me give a shit about why you should win this game. I had no connection with either of you and quite frankly no reason to vote for either of you in any way, shape or form here, so my vote is live. Earn it. if im being honest, elo--truth be told u probably shouldnt care. it's an internet survivor game and the winner doesnt get a million dollars, so like why bother? ive used random.org to decide jury votes before and i absolutely would not fault u for doing the same here that being said, the thing that struck me most about my interactions with u was when u said it was totally ok to just stop messaging each other for a while bc nothing was happening in the game. i think the reason it hit me the hardest was because it was something that went against how id been taught and learned to play survivor--truth be told, it was a strategy i was scared to try. despite that, i respect the hell out of it. it was one of the realest things i heard all game. M+H made it pretty clear that their entire strategy hinged upon fooling people and promising people like me pictures of a cat at the end of the game that they didnt even actually have. i didn't play that way. i dont think anybody ever thought i was the real jesus? and i played in a way that was true to myself. i can promise u that i simply played in the way that i thought was best under the circumstances i was in. i was never emotionally manipulative--i just played my game and ended up here at FTC due to what i consider to be good planning on my part. it was that simple and considering ur one of the most down to earth ppl i met in this game, i feel like that's worthy of a vote if u dont decide to base ur decision on RNG
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 12:48:22 GMT
That is the most passion I've felt from you this whole game. i dont necessarily mean to direct this at you, so im sorry if it comes off this way. but like i guess i personally find it really fucked up that people just like arbitrarily determine whether or not people are passionate to me--passion comes in many different forms. ive been blessed to interact with a diverse array of people. i competed at the highest level of forensics for many years--ive seen people be visibly happy and shout out in acclamation upon winning a major award, ive seen people literally cry upon receiving honors, and some people just act like its nothing and move on. everybody processes emotions and events differently. like i genuinely do not believe that anybody in this game would have logged into this forum repeatedly--day after day--for two freaking months if they were not passionate or didnt care about this game for me personally--actions speak way louder than words. anybody can say they care, but i can confidently say that there was not a day where i didnt log on to this forum and reply to every single person in my inbox that i was allowed to. there was not a single day where i didnt vote or didnt participate in a challenge and do my best to give it my all. like the final challenge in this game was literally one of the freaking hardest things ever for me. i realize that for some people it may have been easy to solve, but like im the type of person who can do really freaking great when given instructions and does really terribly when not. like i saw that puzzle from the south shrine and it instantly confused me and had me floundering all over the place. after about 45 minutes of trying to solve it. i literally posted in my mod chat that "ive made no progress whatsoever in forty minutes," "theres five dials in the south and i have set exactly zero of them correctly," "i think i might just like forfeit/medevac." like i can absolutely assure u that i might make dumb mistakes and bad decisions in life sometimes, but there is no way in heaven or hell that i keep logging into this forum and muster through seven hours of being unable to solve some sort of logic puzzle if i do not care about this game. it absolutely takes passion to get through something like this. ive given up on survivor challenges a lot faster before. everybody expresses their emotions and passions in their own unique way and its not always verbally
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 13:00:49 GMT
Unfortunately for you, you picked quite possibly the worst FTC opponent you could face imo because, in addition to M+H being my closest ally in the game, I saw the passion and the playing hard oozing from every single PM I received from them. Whereas I'm only just now getting signs of life from you. I wish I had seen this more from you during the game and not now. But it is what it is and you can't go back and change it. The fact of the matter is that M+H is pretty much exactly what I look for in a survivor winner. You used the word "adversity" so I'm guessing you went back to the PMs I sent you during the last round so then now I hope you know and understand (especially after having a clear picture on my relationship with M+H) that I was being very serious when I told you I wasn't going to vote for you here. It's not that I dislike passive or UTR games but I just need more from this especially when up against an opponent who just simply did way more. Also one more thing: "im not here as a result of being completely invisible and not doing anything, if that was the case i wouldve went home round one for being inactive or gotten replaced." While you werent inactive, my understanding is that you very likely would have been booted first if jotunn ever lost immunity. hades, im just gonna be super frank and honest with u. i have a really good idea of who u r and i totally understand being disappointed and upset with me. in my mind, u played amazingly and were legitimately a round away from probably winning this game. while i tried to explain my decision as much as possible, i honestly would not be likely to vote for somebody that took me out right before FTC either in terms of passion, i honestly dont know what u want from me. like do u want me to show up to ftc and be like haha, u all thought i was the real jesus and i fooled u? bc if so, that’s not the game i play and im sorry, but im not interested in doing that to earn ur vote. for me personally? actions speak louder than words. i dont recall a day i didnt log onto this forum, i dont recall a day when i didnt send u a message when i was allowed to, i suffered through seven hours of a challenge to win FIC and get here. everybody shows emotions in different ways--for me, that’s not typically through words and instead by the actions i took in this game every single day by participating and making the best of every single scenario i was in that i felt i could like i said, i absolutely do not fault u for not voting for me here. u made that plenty clear before this FTC and i respect that, i just obviously had to make the decision i felt was best after winning that FIC then in terms of jotunn R1. like truth be told, i find ur statements on this a bit contradictory. u told me that "i am a huge sucker for underdog stories... [M+H]were definitely closer to that than you were (they were nearly eliminated 2nd in the merge, their closest ally got idolled out and they had to recover, etc)." i did specifically use the term adversity bc of what u brought up to me now and beforehand. i worked with u closely and i do genuinely care about ur opinion. id love ur vote even if its unlikely that i get it, which i understand. that being said, it feels like ur cherry picking what's classified as heroically overcoming adversity and what's not. like i dont mean to be rude or doubt ur opinion, but on one hand it feels like ur criticizing me for not facing adversity in this game and on the other hand it feels like ur criticizing me for the adversity i faced in this game
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Hades
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Post by Hades on Aug 17, 2021 13:07:22 GMT
I am at work so I won't respond to that fully right now but if you are correct that you know who I am, then you probably already know this will be my last survivor game too. I am tired as fuck of busting my ass to get fucked over by moderation errors. I've been told that there will be changes discussed to the guidelines to prevent shit like this FIC atrocity from reoccurring so I can only hope it will benefit future players.
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 17, 2021 13:15:11 GMT
Can we at least pretend this game is anonymous for a few more days
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Hades
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Post by Hades on Aug 17, 2021 13:17:57 GMT
Yes, I would prefer that as well. Just wanted to vent for a moment because I am extremely bitter over that FIC
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 13:38:58 GMT
I'm gonna just give you a hug or ten, kay? Thank you for that. That's kinda the sort of feeling I was getting, that you were putting all you had into this, and you were always going to do it your way. And I commend you for sticking to your principles there. I'll have more concrete questions when my internet is back. Mobile is just so gross. hugs are nice. like i think the difference between me giving my all into a game versus not doing that is pretty obvious. while ur welcome to disagree--at least in my mind, i really dont think chance was the reason i got here. i played in a way that was apologetically me and i want to win because of that, not in spite of it. my way of playing survivor probably isnt the best but it i think its sufficient and certainly worthy of winning i look forward to ur future questions and i hope ur internet gets fixed soon
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 13:39:59 GMT
I am at work so I won't respond to that fully right now but if you are correct that you know who I am, then you probably already know this will be my last survivor game too. I am tired as fuck of busting my ass to get fucked over by moderation errors. I've been told that there will be changes discussed to the guidelines to prevent shit like this FIC atrocity from reoccurring so I can only hope it will benefit future players. like yeah, i completely understand that. like obviously im grateful to have won that challenge and super proud of the effort i put in to make that happen and i have to play to win per the rules, but at the same time i do feel absolutely sick for u. having to do five hours on a challenge that was estimated to only take an hour and a half maximum sucks. i genuinely wish we'd had a better challenge than that to determine who won FIC cause that was a mess and i dont think it was fun at all for either of us--i was ripping my hair out for the majority of that challenge
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Post by Jesus on Aug 17, 2021 13:41:46 GMT
Can we at least pretend this game is anonymous for a few more days sorry, i'll try to do better about that--its just hard for me sometimes
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Hermes
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Post by Hermes on Aug 17, 2021 13:58:23 GMT
While you werent inactive, my understanding is that you very likely would have been booted first if jotunn ever lost immunity. For what it's worth this isn't right. Radiance more than likely would've been the first Jotunn to go if we had gone to tribal. Jesus was briefly discussed due to roleplaying being somewhat annoying but pretty quickly after the role playing chilled out everyone universally like Jesus.
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Post by Persephone on Aug 17, 2021 14:44:28 GMT
Hey Jesus! I'm just popping in mostly to say hello. I'm still digesting the opening speeches and all of the questions that have been asked previously. My vote is undecided. I first of all wanted to say that I'm really proud to see you here! This game lived up to its complex name and I think you played honestly and with integrity, which are two things that are important to me.
I hope you're hanging in there because this is a tough process. I really enjoyed playing with you, even when we were at odds. I only wish I was able to be more present due to irl circumstances. I was feeling super low in the round that Hermes went home because I thought it was me and everyone I thought I was close to stopped talking to me. You didn't owe me anything but I really appreciated your company. I think what Hades said about you being invisible comes mostly from a place of anger, because in that round you were one of the most visible people to me.
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Post by Athena on Aug 17, 2021 16:23:44 GMT
I have a bit of a self-centered question to ask, but given our closeness throughout the game I think it's appropriate.
During my final round, I had intended to vote Poppy regardless of who won immunity and thought everyone else would do the same. I quickly found out that wasn't the case, and I mostly understood that decision. I reached out to you and MH in the hopes of possibly changing your mind, but told you not to let me bother if you'd already made a decision. Both of you heard me out and I spent several hours that days writing PMs to both of you pleading my case.
Largely, I devoted my time to you, since I knew you better and thought you might understand where I was coming from more. I wrote literal essay-length PMs to you and I think that was one of my most passionate moments of the game. Of course, it didn't work out. However, you did tell me towards the end that you had been considering Hades as another option, and "put feelers out" to see how possible that was. I felt like there was a good chance you just said that because you wanted to avoid conflict with me and/or felt bad for me.
Was there honestly ever a chance that I could have changed your mind in that final round? Or was I wasting my time playing the game the second I didn't win immunity? I would appreciate full honesty here.
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Post by Cerberus on Aug 17, 2021 19:28:34 GMT
Happy head: Hey Jesus, congrats on making the final two! I feel like we had a good chat going this game but i also feel like i don't owe you anything, least of which my vote to win the game. I like M+H's game better, but am ultimately undecided on whether or not they are worth my vote.
Why do you deserve Cerberus's vote?
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Post by Papatuanuku on Aug 17, 2021 21:20:02 GMT
First off, kudos to you for having a gimmick/persona that I understood immediately. As an agnostic who grew up very Christian, it was absolutely delightful to have Jesus played as just an ordinary dude. I think your character was my favorite.
That being said... you weren't my favorite player. I felt like you kept yourself so dang neutral about everything that I couldn't form as ecstatic a connection with you as I could with... well, almost everyone else. But let's keep things simple. I was a huge fan of Maat and Hathor. I considered them one of my dearest friends, and it's been revealed now that I was allies with them for nearly the whole game. So why should I pick you instead?
Actually, screw the simplicity. Let's dive in deeper. Why do you deserve to win if you basically coasted your way to the finish line, compared to all of the energy and passion and connection and risk-taking that allowed Maat and Hathor to get here? And lastly, on a more selfish note, why should I pick you when your alliance with Maat/Hathor (and Hades) contributed to my own demise? (Yes, I understand why you guys voted for me and I know it's more of a compliment than anything else, but still, finding out now that they've had an alliance with you this whole time and that they put that alliance with you above their alliance with me leaves me a little salty. Basically, it makes me want to blame you that I didn't win.)
So yeah. Basically, if you want my support, you're gonna have to fight for it.
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