Hades
Valhalla
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Post by Hades on Aug 17, 2021 22:57:19 GMT
When I talk about adversity in Survivor, I mean a very very specific kind of adversity. M+H faced the very real possibility of elimination that second merge vote and they likely would have been sent home had our alliance not stepped up to bat for them (speaking of which, I don't know how much *you* know about that vote but I was the one who recommended to Cerberus that he should play his idol). You, on the other hand, managed to escape any real scrutiny by simply coasting on immunity wins on Jotunn.
I should also make this very clear since apparently there seems to be a misunderstanding regarding what my vote is being based on. My vote here is based solely on gameplay. All the bitterness and anger I feel is directed towards the mods (who I can assure you are VERY well aware of my opinions regarding this matter). Obviously I know it would be super shitty to be mad at you for something that wasn't your fault at all. And I'm not even mad that you voted me out there, I understand your reasoning for doing so and harbor no ill feelings about that. What I am frustrated about is your gameplay, I just simply cannot award that my vote, especially when your opponent is my closest ally and I feel they played a vastly superior game.
Anyway, this will be my last post here most likely because my mind has long since been made up and I don't want to waste your time when you should be devoting that energy to talking to the other folks here. Frankly, I am eager to get to the part of the game where I can start forgetting that it happened.
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 17, 2021 23:04:57 GMT
I'm pretty sure Jesus knew exactly what was going on that round since Jael and Perse were asking Jesus to vote Cerberus with us.
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 17, 2021 23:23:41 GMT
Oh that's a question I can ask Jesus. Why didn't you vote Cerberus with us?
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Jael
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ਜੀ, ਜੋ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਹੱਥ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਤੰਬੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਲ੍ਲੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਲਈ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੈ :)
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Post by Jael on Aug 17, 2021 23:43:39 GMT
My internet is back! But I am very very tired. To entertain me, I would like to ask you(and this will be towards the other finalist as well) to tell me two things about each juror: First, what about their gameplay did you admire most and wish you could have emulated in your own play? And second, what is the best positive interaction you had with them? I want to see if you had awareness of who each juror was and what they brought to the game. Also do this for the other finalist while you're at it <3
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Hermes
Valhalla
He / Him
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Post by Hermes on Aug 18, 2021 0:06:27 GMT
I have a similar question to Jaels. I want both of you to explain your games to me, I don't know if this is normal on MS games or what but for the most part the Jury didn't tell me what was going on, so I'm sort of at a loss here. I love Survivor and there is a podcast I listen to called "Why ____ lost", in it Survivor podcaster David Bloomberg has a list of rules he thinks are important for winning.
1. "Scheme and plot" 2. "Don’t scheme and plot too much", or "Keep scheming secret and don’t backstab until you need to" 3. "Be flexible" 4. "Don’t let your emotions control you" 5. "Pretend to Be Nice/Play the Social Game (and Keep Your Politics and Controversial Beliefs to Yourself)" 6. "Don’t be too much of a threat" 7. "Vote out the weak, then the strong, then weak, then strong" Appendix A. "Do whatever it takes to get idols" Appendix B. "The Jury Phase"
I'm asking both of you the same question:
Please list out 2 to 3 sentences for each point on this list, help me understand your games better!
Also, I apologize for how dickish my original post was to you. Jury has not been fun and I took some of that anger out on you unnecessarily.
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Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 2:33:49 GMT
Hey Jesus! I'm just popping in mostly to say hello. I'm still digesting the opening speeches and all of the questions that have been asked previously. My vote is undecided. I first of all wanted to say that I'm really proud to see you here! This game lived up to its complex name and I think you played honestly and with integrity, which are two things that are important to me. I hope you're hanging in there because this is a tough process. I really enjoyed playing with you, even when we were at odds. I only wish I was able to be more present due to irl circumstances. I was feeling super low in the round that Hermes went home because I thought it was me and everyone I thought I was close to stopped talking to me. You didn't owe me anything but I really appreciated your company. I think what Hades said about you being invisible comes mostly from a place of anger, because in that round you were one of the most visible people to me. i really appreciate all the kind words <3 i wouldnt say i was completely above reproach, but i really tried to be honest and have integrity. it's really just the way i always play survivor and i felt like that was especially important being jesus. i really tried hard to not make promises i couldnt keep to people and to avoid any sort of emotional manipulation or anything i enjoyed ur company too that round and im glad i was able to have a positive impact on u. in the past i feel like one issue ive really struggled with is talking to ppl when im voting them out cause it can obviously be awkward and i rly tried to improve on that here and i think i did pretty good at that when i wasnt busy with things going on irl. like im my past experience, the absolute worst thing about playing survivor is usually getting voted out. for me it sucks basically every time without fail and so i tried to empathize with ppl as much as i could
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Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 2:36:31 GMT
I have a bit of a self-centered question to ask, but given our closeness throughout the game I think it's appropriate. During my final round, I had intended to vote Poppy regardless of who won immunity and thought everyone else would do the same. I quickly found out that wasn't the case, and I mostly understood that decision. I reached out to you and MH in the hopes of possibly changing your mind, but told you not to let me bother if you'd already made a decision. Both of you heard me out and I spent several hours that days writing PMs to both of you pleading my case. Largely, I devoted my time to you, since I knew you better and thought you might understand where I was coming from more. I wrote literal essay-length PMs to you and I think that was one of my most passionate moments of the game. Of course, it didn't work out. However, you did tell me towards the end that you had been considering Hades as another option, and "put feelers out" to see how possible that was. I felt like there was a good chance you just said that because you wanted to avoid conflict with me and/or felt bad for me. Was there honestly ever a chance that I could have changed your mind in that final round? Or was I wasting my time playing the game the second I didn't win immunity? I would appreciate full honesty here. there was absolutely a chance. i alluded to as much in my torchwalks already. obviously, im happy about the game i played and proud of it. i think i deserve to win. that being said, if this game doesn't go my way that's likely one decision that will bother me a lot--im still not completely sure voting you out was the correct choice a lot of what you said made sense to me and i think us using our combined challenge strength to win the rest of the way and set up an F2 could've worked really well. it also may have given me about six hours of my life back to spend on something other than that FIC my intent in this game was always to win the F4/F3 challenges. you/hades were the only people left in the game at that point that i thought had decent odds to beat me in those challenges. so i felt like getting one of you out increased my odds of doing that, hence why i suggested hades there instead of poppy cause i was very confident that i would be able to take out poppy at F4/F3 one other minor note: this was never a calculation that really factored into my decision making bc i was playing to win, but i did ask hades/m+h why i should lose to them after i won FIC. i really liked and respected ur gameplay. i think competing against u at FTC would've been a lot of fun and not as frustrating and i wouldn't be bitter at all if u bested me at FTC. u were one of the ppl i connected best with right from the beginning of the game and i think it wouldve been cool for us both to end up here
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Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 3:05:30 GMT
First off, kudos to you for having a gimmick/persona that I understood immediately. As an agnostic who grew up very Christian, it was absolutely delightful to have Jesus played as just an ordinary dude. I think your character was my favorite. That being said... you weren't my favorite player. I felt like you kept yourself so dang neutral about everything that I couldn't form as ecstatic a connection with you as I could with... well, almost everyone else. But let's keep things simple. I was a huge fan of Maat and Hathor. I considered them one of my dearest friends, and it's been revealed now that I was allies with them for nearly the whole game. So why should I pick you instead? Actually, screw the simplicity. Let's dive in deeper. Why do you deserve to win if you basically coasted your way to the finish line, compared to all of the energy and passion and connection and risk-taking that allowed Maat and Hathor to get here? And lastly, on a more selfish note, why should I pick you when your alliance with Maat/Hathor (and Hades) contributed to my own demise? (Yes, I understand why you guys voted for me and I know it's more of a compliment than anything else, but still, finding out now that they've had an alliance with you this whole time and that they put that alliance with you above their alliance with me leaves me a little salty. Basically, it makes me want to blame you that I didn't win.) So yeah. Basically, if you want my support, you're gonna have to fight for it. im really glad u enjoyed it. i was obviously slightly worried it could be offensive, but it was something i really enjoyed. im very much the same way in that i grew up in a very christian environment and now im just like unsure how i feel about religion and i feel like modern christianity often gets caught up on questionable things that have made it really hard for me to care about religion at all and so like i guess it was just really fun to be able to share my interpretation of jesus as just a pretty simple and ordinary person first off, i do think i had energy and passion--maybe not to the extent they did, but it was there. i also dont think i just coasted here, i fought hard to win challenges, i had to make connections to get far, etc. beyond that, i dont think the simplicity of my game was a bad thing at all. i didnt want to backstab people and make a dozen F2s and constantly be lying--so i just didnt and it worked out completely fine. from my perspective one of the most beautiful and also frustrating things about survivor is how open ended it is. the one constant is tribal council and its completely up to you to determine what to base votes off of. i think my game was solid. sure it doesnt have a ton of flair, but i think it's unique and sometimes the simplest things can be the most beautiful. i think this vote totally comes down to what you value. i tried to be honest and was consistent and true to myself with my gameplay and i think those are values worth voting for. i dont mean to be rude, but i feel like its kind of ridiculous to blame me for their betrayal. i intentionally did not make an excessive amount of promises to anybody in this game because i didnt want to be stabbing ppl left and right and lying and manipulating. i dont want to be rude or mean to attack M+H and hades cause i dont know all the circumstances, but based on what ur saying i feel like they're the villains. they betrayed u--be upset at them and dont reward them by voting for them
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Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 5:51:20 GMT
Happy head: Hey Jesus, congrats on making the final two! I feel like we had a good chat going this game but i also feel like i don't owe you anything, least of which my vote to win the game. I like M+H's game better, but am ultimately undecided on whether or not they are worth my vote. Why do you deserve Cerberus's vote? thanks i enjoyed our chat too. i was a bit disappointed when u went home cause i had really appreciated u reaching out to me during that round and was hoping we might be able to work together i think i played a good game. i thought i picked a good character and did some funny and cool things with that. i also tried to live up to that character and play in a way that i could be proud of, do well at, and be happy about. i avoided lying and manipulating whenever i felt i could. i just tried to be honest and navigate the game smartly. as a result i was pretty safe throughout the entire game and always had a good idea of what was going on. i also spent like seven hours on a challenge which is cool i think, or just really sad. so yeah, like i don't really have any fireworks or big reveal for this--im just a kid from bethlehem who played a survivor game and if anything i said was like appealing or cool than vote for that and if not don't. really id just follow ur heart and not think too much about the decision. if there's one thing this game has taught me it's that stressing out about this game isn't worth it
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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2021 5:54:44 GMT
Thank you Jesus, I appreciate that answer.
What was a moment or series of moments in this game where you felt like you had to fight your hardest / play your hardest / talk your hardest, etc.? Basically, when did you feel like you had to put most into this game?
I feel like the obvious answer is the FIC, and like... I'm super impressed by your dedication and passion there but it's also like the most visible thing you've done this game. I'm a little more interested in some of the quieter moments where in the background you might've been trying really hard to make a certain connection and so on.
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Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 5:57:42 GMT
When I talk about adversity in Survivor, I mean a very very specific kind of adversity. M+H faced the very real possibility of elimination that second merge vote and they likely would have been sent home had our alliance not stepped up to bat for them (speaking of which, I don't know how much *you* know about that vote but I was the one who recommended to Cerberus that he should play his idol). You, on the other hand, managed to escape any real scrutiny by simply coasting on immunity wins on Jotunn. I should also make this very clear since apparently there seems to be a misunderstanding regarding what my vote is being based on. My vote here is based solely on gameplay. All the bitterness and anger I feel is directed towards the mods (who I can assure you are VERY well aware of my opinions regarding this matter). Obviously I know it would be super shitty to be mad at you for something that wasn't your fault at all. And I'm not even mad that you voted me out there, I understand your reasoning for doing so and harbor no ill feelings about that. What I am frustrated about is your gameplay, I just simply cannot award that my vote, especially when your opponent is my closest ally and I feel they played a vastly superior game. Anyway, this will be my last post here most likely because my mind has long since been made up and I don't want to waste your time when you should be devoting that energy to talking to the other folks here. Frankly, I am eager to get to the part of the game where I can start forgetting that it happened. like obviously i disagree, but i think we just see this game differently and i do totally get where ur coming from and respect that decision. it was nice playing with u honestly. i love monty/vash and respect all the hard work they put into the game, but ive been ready for it to be over for a minute now
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Post by Jesus on Aug 18, 2021 5:59:21 GMT
Oh that's a question I can ask Jesus. Why didn't you vote Cerberus with us? yeah, i did know what was happening that round with regards to the cerberus vote--i liked cerberus on a personal level--but i didn't feel like i had the greatest connection with them and i thought they were close with a fair amount of the people i was working with, so getting cerb out made a lot of sense to me since i thought they were a good player and not really on my side. so i was happy to see cerberus get votes my main reason for not voting there was that i was confident cerberus was likely getting the most votes and i wanted idol protection. i felt like there was a high likelihood they had an idol and i had also heard that cerberus had brought my name up that TC, so i thought there was a chance i could get targeted. voting elo with hades/athena made sense to me just as a backup if an idol got played. if i was the critical swing vote i probably would've voted cerberus but since i wasn't, i opted to just play safe
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Post by Phobos & Deimos on Aug 18, 2021 13:17:13 GMT
Huh, I thought it was because you didn't want to commit. That's a good answer. Did you give any thought to switching sides after the Cerberus vote and taking Jael/Perse further instead of Hades and Maathat? Until the last hours of F8 I'd locked a bored vote onto Jael thinking no one wanted to do more, yourself included. You could've kept the vote steal and locked the next vote with just those two. Just wondering in a sense why you went with the people you did.
Also came to ask you for a theme song! Please not a hymn Jesus, the man himself already has an entire musical of theme songs for Himself.
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Jael
Valhalla
ਜੀ, ਜੋ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਹੱਥ ਵਿਚ ਇਕ ਤੰਬੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਲ੍ਲੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਵੀ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਲਈ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੈ :)
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Post by Jael on Aug 18, 2021 14:42:41 GMT
Okay Jesus, I have a particular question for you cuz while I do know this style of gameplay well, I think you did it in a way that most people don't manage successfully. I guess it's two questions. But FIRST, you seemed to play this like you were an information broker, where rather than trading moves and directing plays, you would strategically release information you had learned to have the biggest impact you could with said information. So what I want to know is, which bits of information did you get that you strategically use to have the biggest impact? Like i know you released some of it later on when it was smartest to do so, but did you also let some information go out to people as soon as you had it too? Tell me all about the way you used being an information hub.
And then secondly, playing intentionally UTR and unnoticeable takes a lot of finesse to do well, what I want to know is, how did you balance being relevant enough people still talked to you and actually liked and counted on you, with not being the big name people all knew they should watch out for? How did you manage your visibility in this game?
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Post by Cerberus on Aug 18, 2021 15:31:52 GMT
Thanks Jesus, I really appreciate the answer.
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